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Rocomamas Centurion Lifestyle Centre
81
/100 (2382 ratings)
Restaurants
Bar
Pub
Barbecue
Grill
Barbecue
American
Drinks
Dinner
Lunch
Chocolate Waffle
Sanpellegrino
Shoestring Fries
Ribs
Lime Milk Shake
Death by Chocolate Freak Shakes
Coffee
Milkshakes
Chillies Cheese Burger with Chips
Cappuccino
Mofu Chicken Wings
Cheesy fries
Smash Burger
Smashed Caramlisedbonion Nacho Crumb Rocket and Mofu Mayo Chicken Burger
nacho burger
Hotchocolate
Baba La Bur
Cherry Beer
Double Beef Burger
Burger
New Yorker Burger
Sit down
American
Barbecue
Table Service
Serves Alcohol
Digital Payments
Free Wifi
Takeout
Seating
Lunch
Drinks
Dinner
Mid-range
"Great burgers and great service! What more could you ask for? They also cater well for people who have allergies. They happily ensured my burger has..."
Jana Coetzee
"I go gaga over their chilli cheese fries 🍟 😘 and jalapeno six bombs really are bomb!!!! . Addictive items! 💞 I don't mind eat daily @rocos...."
Angelo Toitoi
"If you want the best chilli burger, this is the place to go. Great service, great atmosphere, this place rocks. Double thick milkshake are a..."
Gerhard Ludick
"Super decadent waffles and wonderful portion sizes. Friendly staff! The wait times were good. Definitely coming back. Had the half size waffle which..."
Ruvimbo Samanga
"I hear so much talk about this place,I just had to try it out.To my disappointment I could not believe how limited the Burger selection was.There are..."
Janelda Brooks
"We all know Rocco's makes the best burgers in town. We stopped here for some dessert as they have their waffles. We tried the Nutella..."
Abdullah Mahamed
"Arriving at Rocomamas it was a full house luckily there was one table open for hubby & I. The place was buzzing and you should not pop by..."
Sue-Ann Davidson
"Nice burgers, great stuff who were very kind and helpful. I loved my food, thank you Rocomamas in centurion lifestyle. Will definitely go back...."
Mamose
"We decided to pop-in and try this specific Rocomamas after a busy morning in the shops.As we walked in the restaurant were bussing with..."
Leandie Swanepoel
"Had an enjoyable lunch with the team, many of whom were first timers. Will never forget the look on their faces when the food arrived. I love..."
Andriette Keyser
"This is excellence and distinction with burgers. The idea is good but also the execution gets kudos. And being a South African place makes it even..."
Eshwar Andhavarapu
"Great retro burger joint to visit. The black and orange looks good, striking and appealing. I love how you can 'tick' the food item you want directly..."
Temcki_tinx
"We've been to quite a few branches already, and it always is a good experience. Have to make special mention of our meal here last night though. ..."
Roelia Schoeman
"So Rocomammas...good franchise where you get value for money. I have ordered take aways twice from Hennops franchise. The first time was a..."
Dirk
"I'm a big fan of Rocomamas, I've visited 4 branches already.The food is consistent and yummy. portions are good and the variety of food is amazing.I..."
Eve
"Hardly ever in centurion but I have noticed the abrupt staff turnover don't know if it's new management or what. Nevertheless service is still good..."
Divine Rakau
"What a experience..!! The ribs were as great as the company. The waiters were all friendly and smiled bigger than their burgers. I highly recommend..."
Eduan Naude
"We went to RocoMamas at Centurion Lifestyle centre today for lunch!! Will most definately go back for the absolutely yummy food and excellent..."
Lynn De Jager
"I love Rocomamas. They have such a great vibe and their burgers and shakes are amazing. Every time I say I'm going to try the ribs but end up having..."
Joan
"Rocomamas is one of my favourite franchises. I dig the american look and feel of this joint and the food is pretty good as well. The layout..."
Brett Pierce
"Payday Lunch meal spent with colleagues, bigger than the Irene branch, the service is quick and efficient and should the staff make a mistake (we are..."
Nicole Melissa Brooks
"I like the sporty look. The burgers taste delicious with the sweet potato fries. I love the sweet pickles on the burger. The waitress was very..."
Esther Wielart
"Title: A Burger Lover's Paradise: Rocco Mama's Delights at Centurion Lifestyle Center Review: I recently had the pleasure of dining at Roco Mama's..."
Ninja K
"Back in South Africa and couldn’t wait to go to Roco Mamas! What a meal! Call me boring, but I just love the Old Skool burger. The blend of..."
SignsofLifeSA
"Food was fresh, prepared well and generous, not shy with the fresh Chilli. Milkshakes were divine. Service was amazing. Server and manager were very..."
Chantal Lovelock
"The meal was good. Service OK. I had the the smash burger. Chicken, bacon & mozzarella with shoestring fries. I'm not a fan of food served on a..."
Benjamin Mitchley
"-: Great food, friendly staff and quick service.. BUT! I could not stand the noise from the kitchen! It was really frustrating that I had to lean..."
Kgotsofalang Kakudi
"Clean, easy to access and well situated. Can park next to where you are sitting. There is disabled parking right outside the front door. Burgers,..."
De Wet van der Merwe
"This RocoMamas definitely cemented the brand as one of my favourite dine in restaurants. The food is always amazing, and our server was truly a..."
Michael Taljaard
"Enjoyed the fuss free environment. 1. Super clean and covid protocols are adhered too. 2. Friendly staff 3. No long waiting periods for orders..."
maria sundram
"Nice, service great tasting food and conciderate in means of waiter offered himself if he should put down the canvas sail to block the sun out of our..."
George Bos
"Had an awesome experience with my boys today. Food was good, our waiter was attentive and went the extra mile. A good..."
Jean Griffin
"Visited after such a long time, and it was absolutely delicious.. service was excellent as..."
Alexa C
"This is the best RocoMamas in town. The service is superb, and burgers are amazing. We go to this one because they remember us and always strive for..."
The Artisan Hub
"Basically the same as all the other fast food establishments that operate under this franchise. The service was fast and efficient. The..."
Clive King
Thunder Ridge Spur Steak Ranch
81
/100 (3898 ratings)
Restaurants
Fast food
Barbecue
Steakhouse
Barbecue
Steakhouse
Fast Food
Breakfast
Dinner
Lunch
Burger
Kiddies Pizza
Apple Kiwi Cooler
Crumb Mushrooms
Wings
Cheese Garlic Prawn
Chicken Schnitzel and Vedge
Ribs
Hawaiian Pizza
Buffalo Wings and Fries with Hot Sauce
Crumbed Chicken Strips with Chips
Bar One Half Waffle and Ice Cream
Full Portion Chicken Schnitzel Lue Cheese and Avocado
Coffee
Half Cheddarmelt Schnitzel with Mushroom Sauce
Caffè Latte
Texan Blaze Chicken Burger with Side Salad
Bacon and Cheese Burger
Calamari
French Toast with Banana
Half Nachos
Chicken Schnitzel with Mushroom Sauce
Cheddamelt Chicken Schnitzel
Sit down
Steakhouse
Fast food
Barbecue
Accepts Visa
Table Service
Accepts American Express
Wheelchair Accessible
Serves Alcohol
Wine and Beer
Parking Available
Free off-street parking
Highchairs Available
Full Bar
Digital Payments
Free Wifi
Reservations
Takeout
Television
Accepts Mastercard
Seating
Lunch
Breakfast
Dinner
Mid-range
"Thank you to Thomas our waiter that gave us excellent service last night... proffesional... friendly and on top of his game... with it being crazy..."
Demari Thompson
"As always one of the best Spurs. Thank you for good food and great service. ThunderRidge Spur in Centurion..."
Julie Vd Merwe
"I enjoyed a good meal. The new Prawn starter was really great. Tip: use similar cheese sauce for the Snails. Pork chops & pepper sauce were perfect...."
Merle Gouveris
"I visited ur spur for the first time these morning for takeaway breakfast I must say I got the best service ever from Hapiness. She serve with a..."
Lerato Letticia Baloyi
"Our food came so quick. Your staff are amazing, friendly and so professional. We came all the way from joburg for a lunch and will definitely be..."
Danni Vlademirovka
"Oh wow what an awesomeness experience!!! Our waitress Faines was absolutely awesome!!! Have never had such good service!! SHE ROCKED..."
Nicky King Hosking
"Best Spur and service on this of the world, whenever we celebrate a birthday with my children or grandchildren in Centurion we go there, Thomas is so..."
Dawn Engelbrecht
"Went to have supper yesterday 8th March 2017 for my birthday, had a awesome time food was absolutely delicious as always. Keep up the excellent..."
Komla Moonsamy Ramsamy
"My son wanted to celebrate his Birthday at a Spur with the biggest play area. We were pleasantly surprised at Thunder Ridge. It was purpose built it..."
Mark Noah
"Took the kids yesterday for my Birthday ... Play area for the young one ... Free wifi for the teenager and wine for me ... Best of all world!!! Love..."
Nadia Jordaan
"Best food under the sun and the place is owned and managed by awsome..."
Jacko van Zyl
"Vanaand was die beste diens wat ons nog OOIT gekry het in enige Restaurant!! 'n spesiale dankie aan ons Waiter Lynx Jones vir jou vriendelikheid en..."
Tredoux Annie
"Prolly this is the most favourite (family and casual) steak place in SA. Every time I go to any branch of Spur, it's hardly quiet. I can't blame it,..."
Sara Lubis
"No waiting. Cheery, helpful and knowledgeable staff,. well trained. Managers seen on floor. Family restaurant. Kiddies play area with games. Service..."
Sonny Rampertab
"Still the best place for a relaxing family atmosphere. We love this Spur as it is still Vape and Smoker friendly with the secluded smoking area..."
Michael Witkowski
"Always a pleasure returning to this place. My favorite is the steaks...."
Karen du Preez
"I just want to give Anati a waiter at Thunder Ridge Spur a big thank you. You really got the gift to make people smile. Thank you Anati for amazing..."
Ria Van Wyk
"It's surely my favorite. Waiters are friendly, always polite, very attentive to my special request, and have never been disappointed. The manager is..."
Karl Venter
"Well established Restaurant. Would recommend going with huge groups of people. Food is delicious, just a little bit on the expensive side. But food..."
Zayne Vorster
"Google did not disappoint when I searched for the best Spur near me. The food was amazing, we ordered the cheddarmelt steak with hot veg and the ribs..."
Saranya Naiker
"The service was super fabulous 😍 Thank you so much for all team players and the birthday songs wow it's beautiful.You really know how to make your..."
Martha Sithole
"What an awesome experience after many years of not going to the Spur, (no reason), our waitress was very prompt and attentive to our special request..."
Gary Ferris
"Amazing experience 👌🤩kiddies loved it. First birthday 🥳 we did for our little one and was not disappointed at all. Great food, awesome play..."
Chantel Bekker
"The best service, excellent food...true value for money...its surely the best SPUR!!! you feel at home and ste staff as well as management (both..."
Michael Landsman
"Best place, best food, best service. My daughter grew up there. Best play area for kids..."
bruce bester
"Name and fame. We picked up our order that was accidentally missing items. Simba went above and beyond to deliver our order. I can without a doubt..."
Lindi Voges
"Our last experience was rather delightful manager was very friendly and our waiters was really good, walked the extra mile. Well done for a job..."
Herman Nagel
Viva Vita
77
/100 (776 ratings)
Restaurants
Italian
Vegetarian Friendly
Gluten Free Options
Pizza
Italian
Vegan Options
European
Pizza
European
Vegetarian Friendly
Gluten Free Options
Vegan Options
Brunch
Dinner
After-hours
Lunch
Coffee
Quattro Stagioni Pizza
chicken curry
Great Pizza
Oxtail
Steak and Prawns
Prawn
Spaghetti Bolognese
Calamari
Cold Meat Platter
Bubblegum milkshake
Calamares
Mexican Pizza
Rice Served
Toasted Cheese
Passion Fruit and Lemonade
Snails Starter
Viva Vita Pizza
Prawns
T-Bone and Salad
BBQ Beef and Onion and Tomato Pizza
Beer and Wine Pet Bottled Drinks
Bone Marrow Starter
Pesto
Sit down
Italian
Pizza
European
Serves Alcohol
Parking Available
Highchairs Available
Full Bar
Reservations
Outdoor Seating
Takeout
Television
Seating
Playgrounds
Table Service
Wheelchair Accessible
Brunch
Dinner
After-hours
Lunch
Mid-range
Ocean Basket Eldoraigne
77
/100 (764 ratings)
Restaurants
Sushi
Seafood
Sushi
Mediterranean
Seafood
Mediterranean
Dinner
Lunch
Choc Crunch Mallow Whip
Halloumi Cheese Top Up
Sole with Roasted Vegetables
Calamari
Seabream with Hot Veggie Combo
Calamares
Calamari & Prawn Combo with Chips
Sole with Green Beans
sushi
Coffee
Salad
Fish & Chips
Hake and Beetroot Fritters
Chilli Garlic
Watermelon & Cucumber Ice Crushed
Windhoek Draft Beer
Prawns and Fish
Lemon Butter Mussels
Panko Kingklip
Alvi's Drift Chenin Blanc
Sit down
Seafood
Mediterranean
Sushi
Serves Alcohol
Highchairs Available
Takeout
Reservations
Seating
Table Service
Dinner
Lunch
Mid-range
Ocean Basket Irene
72
/100 (784 ratings)
Restaurants
Sushi
Sushi
Vegetarian Friendly
Seafood
Mediterranean
Seafood
Mediterranean
Vegetarian Friendly
Drinks
Dinner
Lunch
Fish Chips & Halloumi
Salmon to Share Platter
Squid Heads and Prawns
Nachos with Cheese
Rose Wine by the Glass
Calamari
Calamares
Prawns
Salmon Nigiri
Salad
Hake
Fish & Chips
Fish
Falafel
Coffee
Sushi Tales
Milkshake
Kingklip & Chips
Seafood
Fish Chips Calamari & Halloumi
Prawn
Sit down
Mediterranean
Sushi
Seafood
Reservations
Seating
Table Service
Wheelchair Accessible
Serves Alcohol
Highchairs Available
Full Bar
Outdoor Seating
Takeout
Drinks
Dinner
Lunch
Mid-range
More Restaurant
71
/100 (2215 ratings)
Restaurants
Bar
Bar
Pizza
Sushi
Grill
Vegetarian Friendly
Sushi
Pizza
Grill
Vegetarian Friendly
Brunch
Drinks
Breakfast
Dinner
Lunch
Meat platter
english breakfast
Chicken Schnitzel
Draught Beer
Steak Egg and Chips
Mushrooms Starter
Focaccia
Pasta
Fish and Chips
Calamari
Quiche
Eishbein with Chips and Salad
sushi
Bacon Feta and Avo Sandwiches
Coffee
Four Cousins Wine
Hot wings
Spicy Chicken Wings and Greek Salad
BBQ pork ribs
Chicken and Pepperdew Pasta
Cocktail
Sit down
Bar
Grill
Pizza
Sushi
Serves Alcohol
Wine and Beer
Parking Available
Full Bar
Free Wifi
Accepts Credit Cards
Reservations
Outdoor Seating
Takeout
Television
Seating
Accepts Mastercard
Accepts Visa
Buffet
Street Parking
Drinks
Brunch
Breakfast
Dinner
Lunch
Mid-range
"We met at More Restaurant today, celebrating my Mother and Daughter's birthday. I requested the waiter (I think "Robert"?) to first assist my elderly..."
Paul Gerber
"What an awesome experience. Very friendly staff, good food. A real hidden..."
Odette Van Schalkwyk Geyer
"Great place to get together with friends. Ideal for family with kids. 2nd time we went to eat there for our anniversary and will definitely go..."
Tanya Nel
"Such friendly staff. Great service! Great food! Just..."
Karina van der Walt
"Ek was aangenaam verras vir my kombuistee deur familie by More. En ek moet se ons kelber was flink, bedagsaam en die kos was heerlik! Ek was veral..."
Annemarie Koen
"It was awsome best food and service..."
Serana Bezuidenhout Roothman
"My mom attended a function together with about 30 people of her matric class of 45 years ago at More restaurant today. Most of them are not living..."
Ronelle Booyens
"Breakfast was awesome and waiter Bernard very friendly. Great..."
Adela Walsh
"Thanks for the great and friendly service. The food is always wonderful. Never been..."
Marlien Prinsloo
"Fantastic restaurant. Good food, reasonably priced. Love the sushi and awesome weekly..."
Jacqueline Smith
"Went recently for a work get together. Food was good and big portions. Not too pricey.Wait staff and management very friendly, albeit a..."
Monica Coetzee
"The place is very very slow in terms of service but their food really deserves a high rating, it is huge in portion so best advice is to share..."
TRICIA
"Great welcoming atmosphere! Food is reasonably priced. Great quality and tasteful. I had the pork ribs. The meat was perfectly cooked and succulent!..."
Soné Verster
"Went on a Tuesday evening and the place was fairly quiet. My friend and I ordered the Ham Alfredo Pasta (you can choose between chicken and ham) as..."
Marcia
"I've been to More a few times now and I really think this a hidden gem of a bar.Now I know More isn't exactly a bar, as it appears to be separated..."
Jacques Du Plessis
"Always enjoy this restraint. Enjoyed a yummy breakfast this morning :-) Great staff :-) super atmosphere, excellent food. Smiles all round. Thank you..."
Warren Chapman
"More Restaurant - I will go back there again and again Marlene and staff always give customers best service and goes out of there way to specified..."
Leandri Welgemoed
"We love the food and love the atmosphere!! Always greeted with a smile and friendly service!! This is our second home!! Please keep up the good..."
Noeline De Beer
"I love the food, the atmosphere, the venue and the area BUT the service or rather waiter allocation is terrible. At the moment there is only 1 waiter..."
Andriette Keyser
"Food for the price was amazing and fresh kids enjoyed it there. Keep it up will visit..."
Hannes Longland
"The food was great and very well priced. The staff went out of their way to help me when it started to pour with rain and offered me an umbrella...."
jenna pastor
"This restaurant really surprised me! It looks like a small cafe from the outside but as you walk through it you are met by different beautiful areas..."
Juanita Cooper
"Staff is ok, food not to bad but they totally let go on the maintenance of the place. Been going there for many years and its sad to see the place..."
Hannes Pienaar
"Was very nice, love their chicken snitchel and pasta, there is a play area for the kids, waiter took my milkshake before i was done, couldn't stop..."
Anita Van Wyngaardt
"Thank you Guys. We had a "get together" of old friends. We where 23 people and everyone had only praise. Good service, price and quality. Wil..."
Johan van Wyk
"Best pizza I EVER had!!!! Prices are very good. I just wish it was open for Sunday lunch. I would love to have eishbein at least once before we..."
Marinda Merryweather
"Celebrated my birthday, we had such a good time, we received excellent service and the food was great! Kids enjoyed it very..."
Carol Burger
"For me its the most beautiful place on earth. There is so much to do. Entertainment is always excellent. Its difficult to put in words how beautiful..."
CORNE KLEYNHANS CORNE KLEYNHANS
"Food we ordered was very average for price. Waited next to 5 waiters before being assisted, but service was good when eventually..."
S Starbuck
"Great service and food quality here at More. A chilled relaxing vibe after a long day's..."
Avinash Singh
"Good selection food and drinks, mix of open and indoor areas. Very relaxed environment with decent..."
Zander Oliver
Grey Owl Spur Steak Ranch
70
/100 (1344 ratings)
Restaurants
Fast food
Barbecue
Barbecue
Steakhouse
Steakhouse
Fast Food
Breakfast
Dinner
Lunch
Burger
Crumbed Chicken
Bar One Milkshake
Chicken and Avocado Slices
Crumbeb Mushrooms
The R109 Breakfast Specials
Coffee
chicken strips
Cheese burger
Cheesy Garlic Bread
Chicken Schnitzel
Waffles and Ice Cream
Sirloin
Soya Burger
Beer Draught
Buffalo Wings
300g Rump Steak
Nachos Mexicana
Sit down
Steakhouse
Fast food
Barbecue
Television
Accepts Mastercard
Seating
Accepts Visa
Table Service
Wheelchair Accessible
Serves Alcohol
Wine and Beer
Parking Available
Free off-street parking
Highchairs Available
Full Bar
Digital Payments
Free Wifi
Reservations
Takeout
Dinner
Lunch
Breakfast
Mid-range
"Thank You Spha for the great Service on Sunday ����� Everyone was friendly and welcoming. Wouldnt mind another trip to SA and stop by the..."
Neo Skillo Aabobe
"What a great experience!!! Amazing food and friendly waiters. Had the best CheddaMelt Burger..."
Bertus V.d Westhuizen
"Wow. Blown away by Spur last night. They really went out of their way to make us feel welcome. The new eating area by the kids play area is fantastic..."
Nicole Davis
"A great hospitality, friendly stuff. They always make sure the food you receive is always on high standard. the ambient accommodate young and old...."
Sifiso Ngabade Ndlovu
"..."
Katie Nkuna
"Just like to thank Ashley and his team for yesterday you guys really the best and thanks for loving my kids so much (Ashley an..."
Yolande de Beer
"Bring your vehicle for a Village Wash Village Car Wash and receive a R20 Spur voucher with compliments from Grey Owl Spur. Available from 9 Aug 2016..."
Dévonne Burger Duvenage
"Had a fantastic time there yesterday. Great service and excellent..."
Michelle Le Roux
"Great service,thank you Grey..."
Noxy Akua Mbadamana
"Always a home to put u feet up and get served. Thank u..."
Aggi Lengwati
"It's more like one stop where you gonna relax after a long day or long journey. I'm coming back very soon. Gimme some..."
Glamourboy Esrom Malatji
Ocean Basket Grey Owl Village Midstream
70
/100 (2417 ratings)
Restaurants
Sushi
Sushi
Seafood
Seafood
Mediterranean
Mediterranean
Drinks
Dinner
Lunch
Virgin Mojito
Coffee
Baklava with Ice Cream
Salad
Fish & Chips
Prawn Special
Calamari and Squid
Fresh Chillies Garlic and Mayo Condiments
Micatshilo
Mediterranean
Sushi
Seafood
Seating
Table Service
Wheelchair Accessible
Wine and Beer
Drinks
Dinner
Lunch
Mid-range
"One of the cleanest Ocean Basket restaurants I’ve ever been to, if not the cleanest. Their glasses were sparkling clean. Sydney’s service was..."
Khomotso Lekgowane
"We have been to several OB and this one is our favourite. Delicious seafood and superb service - thanks Sydney!! Was quiet tonight - perhaps due to..."
Johan Viljoen
"This is one of our favorite restaurants. ❤ we love the well cooked seafood and the lemon butter sauce is to die for. We won't leave before..."
Vicky Potgieter
"I am a big lover of fish and one thing I dont compromise on to get my fish is good service. I had initially called in to make a takeaway order but..."
Mathabo Mosisili
"Had lunch there. Fish and chips delicious. Service great with such a friendly and attentive waiter. Cuppaccino was delicious and strong and warm. Had..."
Johnel Van Staden
"Delicious meal with a welcoming atmosphere and exceptional service. They were also paying attention to every detail. I'm definitely coming..."
Lungelo Boilane
"Was there again last night. Awesome new menu (Mediterranean Rice Balls with Haloumi inside), food excellent! For a bit of an extra service evening,..."
Berna Seddon
"As always Food was good and the sushi was great, fresh. Service was good. This is our tried and tested go to fish place. We sat outside alfresco..."
Kogie Ramsamy
"Place is so welcoming and and peaceful.its a small but beautiful village .excellent fresh fish .wonderful speed of serving and very very friendly..."
Sir Charlton G Medicine
"As always a good food selection so that everyone can get there favorite. Waiter was well spoken and visited us just enough so that we did not feel..."
Craig A Bothma
"Sidney was a very good server. Value for money and good..."
ndp ndp
"One of my favourite seafood places. Always have great food and good service..."
Byron Ludwig
"Good service, knowledgeable and kind staff members. The food is..."
Mpho Mamanyoha
"The food was absolutely amazing! The service by our waiter was great!! We however waited a while to be served, seemed to be understaffed , but..."
Karlien Oberholster
"A very special thanks to Mandla, the waiter, for great service received. Very friendly, effecient and on the ball. 5 stars to the chef as well. Thank..."
Jayant Bhoora
"Wonderful people! Food was..."
Monice Jansen van Rensburg
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